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Articles - October - 2025 Issue

Chatbot Maker Anthropic and the Authors Whose Books They Used Reached a $1.5 Billion Settlement... and the Court Threw It Out!

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The AI Chatbot (think ChatGPT) has suddenly become the go-to source for inquiries on the internet. A year ago, if you searched Google for something you were content to get a bunch of links where you could research a question yourself. No longer. Now you want Google to answer your question for you. We aren't going back.

 

Of course, to answer your questions, Google must be very smart, or at least, very knowledgeable. It does that in part by learning everything on the internet, but even that isn't enough, particularly if you want accuracy. So, Google/chatbots read a lot of books. More than you do. Millions of them. And remember every word!

 

Where do the chatbots get all these books? Two ways, legally and illegally. The legal way is to buy the books or obtain them in some other such manner. The illegal way is to, in effect, steal them. Anthropic, maker of "Claude," used both, as do most chatbots.

 

Meanwhile, while all this big business is taking place, someone is being completely left out of the equation - the authors. They are getting nothing and they are not happy about it. Understandably, they want to be paid. They sued.

 

The authors achieved a partial victory. That's where the headline number - a $1.5 billion settlement - comes from (see settlement article here). That's what made the headlines people read, but the lost part of the judgment, which long-term means much more, is the most significant. More about that later.

 

This suit was brought by three authors but it was a class action, on behalf of all authors. That class is expected to be around 500,000. The lawyers and Anthropic negotiated to the $1.5 billion settlement. This would represent the largest judgment or settlement ever in a copyright infringement case. The authors' attorneys expressed their enthusiasm; Anthropic said little. The settlement was brought to the judge who said... Whoa. Slow down. U.S. District Court Judge William Alsup was not pleased with the settlement. Is $1.5 billion a ridiculous amount of money? Apparently. Too much? No. The opposite. Judge Alsup said that way too often class members in these cases "get the shaft," and he feared this could happen to the authors.

 

The proposed settlement would provide roughly $3,000 each to the authors. But, the judge was concerned about "hangers on." Unsaid, but this could primarily be the lawyers. They will expect to be rewarded handsomely for this record settlement. Add to that, not only are there traditional legal fees, but compiling a list of eligible beneficiaries and getting payments to them will also be costly. And then, there are the publishers. Many of them have rights in the books. An understanding apparently was achieved whereby the proceeds would be evenly split between the authors and publishers. Calculate all this and I think it would be a miracle if the authors got even $1,000.

 

Some estimates were made that the authors might be entitled to as much as $150,000 per book. They would like that, but could Anthropic come up with $75 billion? If they went bankrupt, the authors might get nothing. Anthropic is estimated as having a value of $183 billion, but that is based on funding raised. How much is left is unclear. Perhaps they could get a number in that area if forced through a bankruptcy sale. Certainly, they should be able to get more than $1.5 billion. Having just raised another $13 billion, the investors would undoubtedly be willing to put up more than another $1.5 billion to keep that investment from becoming worthless. The Judge may be on to something here, and the authors may end up with some more serious rewards by the time this is all finished.

 

This still leaves the half of the lawsuit the authors lost in place, and once all the claims for using pirated books for AI training are adjudicated, it means authors will get almost nothing from the new books they write. The court ruled that legally obtained books are subject to the "Fair Use" exception. That's what allows you to write an article or book report without paying the author. The AI creator need buy only one copy of the book. The author's share of the price of one book is insignificant, and then the AI creator has unlimited free use of the author's work. If they buy a used copy, the author won't even get pennies. They become unpaid content creators for the AI companies.

 

The "Fair Use" exception, appropriate for book reports and other places with limited readership, may not be appropriate for the AI chatbot era. These AI searches are accessible to countless millions of people, something never envisioned for "fair use." Add to that, "fair use" users usually take just one or two items from another's work to address a subject. Chatbots can take parts from all over the book to address many different questions. That level of unpaid usage seems to be something more than "fair." This looks like something for legislators to take a look at. Copying information from the internet, where posters understand there will be free access, is one thing, but authors have not consented to their work being made available free to the public. Perhaps legislation limiting the use of "Fair Use" in this instance, or mandating a fee for using authors' work in a chatbot, are in order.

 

One final point: The decisions of a district court can be appealed, first to the Court of Appeals, and then to the Supreme Court. Either side can appeal the part of the judgment unfavorable to their interests.


Posted On: 2025-10-01 11:32
User Name: keeline

Any settlement, accepted or not, routinely includes the phrase that the defendant does not "admit any wrongdoing." This is true for this proposed settlement but was omitted from this or the other article about this case. I'm not a lawyer and I'm pretty sure you are not either. But if we are going to render opinions on events like this, it is important to be complete.

You have proposed that they could sidestep the "legally obtained" books by purchasing used copies. This certainly did not work for Internet Archive. They have many storage containers of books they have purchased (or were donated to them) and they scanned.

The publishers may hold the authors up as victims but really they are self-interested. In nearly all cases the publisher makes one of the largest if not the largest portion of the sale of any work. Authors get a small sliver of the retail price — 4% to 10% if a royalty arrangement. Retail booksellers also make a fair portion if they are large-volume purchasers.

But buying a used copy makes no more money for the publisher or the author. So this would not help the publisher/author claims.

Consider the landmark case of Bobbs-Merrill versus libraries in 1909. This case led to what we call the "first sale doctrine." Effectively, it means that someone who buys a book can read it, lend it, sell it, even burn it.

This is a case where publishers (speaking on behalf of the authors) really didn't like libraries then and some feel the same way now. The rather one-sided contracts for libraries to offer electronic books to their patrons shows this as well. What portion of library budgets are consumed by fees for this service and database access?

I have made extensive use of Anthropic's Claude for several months. In the interactions I have seen where the ethical guardrails they use affect how people can use it. There is a long list of the kinds of activities which are prohibited by their terms of service and many of these go beyond mere legal requirements. One of these is to prevent one from preparing a text in a way that could be shared for piracy.

Fair Use is not a "loophole" but a specific provision of the 1976 Copyright Act to comply with the U.S. Constitution clause that allows for the creation of copyright and other intellectual property laws. It states that the purpose is "to further the useful arts and sciences." Whether a work of fiction complies with this is a matter of debate, of course.

Being able to use a copyrighted work for the purposes of commentary and education is important. But "fair use" is a legal defense. It says "I infringed but I did so under allowed conditions". Usually this is two of three.

How many lawsuits have the publishers initiated against Wikipedia and its clones? This system effectively replaces conventional published encyclopedias. Why buy a book on a topic of one of its articles if a good summary exists, with or without good attributions of the source of the information? The difference is that Wikipedia does not seem to be an entity with deep pockets to sue.

In the end it is all about the money, as is usually the case.

Many of the things I have called Claude to help with go far beyond what can be found on any website or in any book.

I prefer actual court decisions rather than settlements anyways. They often can have more weight for guidance in other cases. It is not correct to say all of the other AI companies should be "prepared to pay" if this settlement was not accepted by the court and it is not a judgement that sets legal precedent.

James


Posted On: 2025-10-01 16:06
User Name: ae244155

This is a District Court decision so it is only legal precedent in this district, though courts do look at other courts' decisions and reasoning. Also noted, it can be appealed. In terms of other AI chatbots needing to be prepared to pay if they used illegally obtained material, this court agreed that they should pay but that the settlement for $1.5 billion was too small. An appeals court may overturn this part of the judgment, but the chatbot makers certainly ought to be prepared so that a multi-billion dollar judgment against them (if upheld) doesn't come as a complete surprise. Under this court's judgment, buying or otherwise obtaining a copy legally makes it subject to fair use but this part of the judgment, too, can be appealed, hence the comment that either side can appeal, because both sides won't like part of this decision.


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